1 00:00:02,830 --> 00:00:08,390 [Music] 2 00:00:12,070 --> 00:00:09,270 hello 3 00:00:14,150 --> 00:00:12,080 and welcome to episode number 32 of the 4 00:00:18,790 --> 00:00:14,160 point of convergence podcast 5 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:18,800 as always i am your host exo academian 6 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:20,880 for those of us intimately familiar with 7 00:00:25,029 --> 00:00:23,119 the details of the ufo phenomenon 8 00:00:26,470 --> 00:00:25,039 it has been exciting to see both our 9 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:26,480 elected officials 10 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:28,640 some of them anyway and the public at 11 00:00:32,790 --> 00:00:30,880 large some of it anyway 12 00:00:34,310 --> 00:00:32,800 finally beginning to take the entire 13 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:34,320 matter seriously 14 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:36,559 to us the notion that the human race is 15 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:38,800 not only not the only true intelligent 16 00:00:42,069 --> 00:00:39,680 species 17 00:00:44,389 --> 00:00:42,079 in the cosmic neighborhood but perhaps 18 00:00:46,869 --> 00:00:44,399 playing second fiddle to intelligences 19 00:00:49,270 --> 00:00:46,879 so advanced that they run circles around 20 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:49,280 both our most state-of-the-art aircraft 21 00:00:53,590 --> 00:00:51,600 and seemingly around our very ability to 22 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:53,600 perceive and discern the reality around 23 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:54,320 us 24 00:01:00,709 --> 00:00:59,039 should be the story of the century 25 00:01:02,869 --> 00:01:00,719 add in the fact that a close and 26 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:02,879 exhaustive reading of our distant human 27 00:01:05,429 --> 00:01:03,600 lore 28 00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:05,439 suggests that human beings may have been 29 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:07,600 interacting with these intelligences 30 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:10,000 since basically the very beginning of 31 00:01:13,350 --> 00:01:11,280 the very beginning 32 00:01:15,429 --> 00:01:13,360 and that perhaps the very meaning models 33 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:15,439 we look to to make sense of the world 34 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:17,280 here i speak of our religious traditions 35 00:01:20,950 --> 00:01:20,159 etc may have been spawned by these very 36 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:20,960 others 37 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:22,960 this quickly becomes not just the story 38 00:01:26,469 --> 00:01:24,000 of the century 39 00:01:27,990 --> 00:01:26,479 but of all time who wouldn't want to 40 00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:28,000 delve into the very depths of this 41 00:01:31,910 --> 00:01:28,720 subject 42 00:01:32,710 --> 00:01:31,920 investigating every nook and cranny well 43 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:32,720 as i say 44 00:01:35,830 --> 00:01:34,159 while the public and our elected 45 00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:35,840 officials have a long way to go in 46 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:37,360 really becoming familiar 47 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:40,000 with the nuance history of this topic 48 00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:42,079 the conversation has begun 49 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:44,720 undoubtedly so largely spurred by 50 00:01:49,429 --> 00:01:47,680 revelations that emerged in 2017 51 00:01:54,149 --> 00:01:49,439 and have been rolling out at a fairly 52 00:01:56,310 --> 00:01:54,159 steady clip ever since 53 00:01:58,709 --> 00:01:56,320 this past week marks another important 54 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:58,719 milestone in that march towards growing 55 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:00,240 public awareness that 56 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:03,280 one hopes might lead eventually to the 57 00:02:06,149 --> 00:02:05,280 disclosure many of us have been waiting 58 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:06,159 for 59 00:02:09,510 --> 00:02:08,000 here i speak of the publication of the 60 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,520 book in plain sight 61 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:12,000 an investigation into ufos and 62 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:13,680 impossible science 63 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:16,080 by award-winning veteran investigative 64 00:02:20,710 --> 00:02:17,440 australian journalist 65 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:20,720 ross coulthart in the line of books by 66 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:23,200 american journalists such as leslie kane 67 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:25,680 and ralph blumenthal this book seeks to 68 00:02:28,710 --> 00:02:27,760 take a nuanced historically rich 69 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:28,720 discussion 70 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:31,280 about the ufo phenomenon right into the 71 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:35,120 town square of public conversation 72 00:02:38,229 --> 00:02:36,800 while there may have been more books 73 00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:38,239 written about ufos and 74 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:40,959 alien contact than grains of sand on 75 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:42,400 your local beach 76 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:45,200 this new release by coldheart is special 77 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:47,200 because it has the opportunity to reach 78 00:02:50,949 --> 00:02:48,560 a much more mainstream 79 00:02:52,390 --> 00:02:50,959 audience not the least of which includes 80 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:52,400 cooltart's professional 81 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:54,640 colleagues in the up until now 82 00:02:57,910 --> 00:02:56,640 notoriously dismissive field of 83 00:02:59,430 --> 00:02:57,920 journalism 84 00:03:01,509 --> 00:02:59,440 in other words this book has the 85 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:01,519 potential to take a subject that has 86 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:03,280 been gaining steam over the last few 87 00:03:06,070 --> 00:03:04,000 years 88 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:06,080 and elevate it into the stratosphere of 89 00:03:09,110 --> 00:03:07,680 public conversation 90 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:09,120 and that is something to be excited 91 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:11,360 about to be sure 92 00:03:15,509 --> 00:03:13,440 furthermore what gives this book even 93 00:03:17,509 --> 00:03:15,519 more teeth one might say 94 00:03:20,229 --> 00:03:17,519 is that ross coldheart has done his 95 00:03:22,869 --> 00:03:20,239 homework he's taken years to carefully 96 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:22,879 meticulously craft a book that not only 97 00:03:26,869 --> 00:03:25,120 accurately depicts ufo events 98 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:26,879 throughout the course of history 99 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:28,400 including events from his native 100 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:29,360 australia 101 00:03:32,550 --> 00:03:31,280 that many american audiences will have 102 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:32,560 never heard about 103 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:34,480 but he has done so with a depth of 104 00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:36,000 penetrating analysis 105 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:38,400 that makes apparent to even a naive 106 00:03:41,589 --> 00:03:39,040 reader 107 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:41,599 just how shocking preposterous and 108 00:03:44,789 --> 00:03:42,640 disturbing 109 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:44,799 the government treatment and cover-up of 110 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:46,480 this essential topic 111 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:48,400 has been over the course of the last 112 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:51,519 eight decades or so 113 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:53,519 not shying away from delving into even 114 00:03:58,229 --> 00:03:55,760 the most controversial but compelling 115 00:04:01,270 --> 00:03:58,239 aspects of the history of this topic 116 00:04:03,270 --> 00:04:01,280 including crashed and landed retrievals 117 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:03,280 of apparently alien vehicles 118 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:06,080 and their non-human pilots cool tart has 119 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:08,000 put together an exemplary reed 120 00:04:11,589 --> 00:04:09,680 that has the potential to serve the 121 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:11,599 cause of pushing the rock of 122 00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:12,480 confirmation 123 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:14,959 and eventually perhaps disclosure over 124 00:04:19,189 --> 00:04:17,120 that proverbial hill 125 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:19,199 coulthard himself finishes his book by 126 00:04:23,110 --> 00:04:21,600 claiming we may seemingly be at the cusp 127 00:04:25,030 --> 00:04:23,120 of a public revelation 128 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:25,040 that has the potential to change the 129 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:28,160 world ross coulthart's stellar new book 130 00:04:31,430 --> 00:04:30,479 in plain sight an investigation into 131 00:04:33,909 --> 00:04:31,440 ufos 132 00:04:34,469 --> 00:04:33,919 and impossible science and the shocking 133 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:34,479 events 134 00:04:38,150 --> 00:04:37,040 from our shared history it uncovers of 135 00:04:40,469 --> 00:04:38,160 the topic of this 136 00:04:44,950 --> 00:04:40,479 the 32nd episode of the point of 137 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:49,030 [Music] 138 00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:51,040 as we begin this week's episode i would 139 00:04:54,469 --> 00:04:52,080 just like to say 140 00:04:55,270 --> 00:04:54,479 go and buy this book it is a compelling 141 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:55,280 read 142 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:57,680 and we want to support people like ross 143 00:05:00,310 --> 00:04:58,720 coulthart 144 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:00,320 investigative journalists coming from 145 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:02,320 the mainstream who are willing to tackle 146 00:05:06,550 --> 00:05:03,280 this topic 147 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:06,560 head on in a really serious way that's 148 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:09,120 exactly what ross has done 149 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:11,440 many who have touched on this topic in a 150 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:13,360 cursory kind of way from the mainstream 151 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:16,400 previously often gloss over it they 152 00:05:21,189 --> 00:05:18,960 don't really pick up on the implications 153 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:21,199 one has to really dig deep and read 154 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:22,800 between the lines because again the 155 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:24,000 government has not been 156 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:26,400 forthcoming historically about its 157 00:05:29,189 --> 00:05:28,080 knowledge and involvement with this 158 00:05:32,070 --> 00:05:29,199 topic 159 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:32,080 one really does have to dig ross has 160 00:05:35,189 --> 00:05:32,960 done that 161 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:35,199 he's used his seasoned understanding of 162 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:36,960 how to really dig deep 163 00:05:40,390 --> 00:05:38,720 when you're trying to uncover truth that 164 00:05:42,629 --> 00:05:40,400 is buried deliberately 165 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:42,639 by governments and he's come up with 166 00:05:47,909 --> 00:05:43,840 some amazing 167 00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:47,919 details this is all in his book 168 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:50,840 in plain sight excellent book go and buy 169 00:05:54,790 --> 00:05:52,960 it 170 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:54,800 coldheart coming from mainstream 171 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:57,360 journalism is in a unique position 172 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:59,199 to see how this topic has been viewed 173 00:06:03,909 --> 00:06:01,440 historically both in the public 174 00:06:05,189 --> 00:06:03,919 and in domains such as academia and 175 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:05,199 journalism 176 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:07,360 he acknowledges he has seen time and 177 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:09,120 time again that this topic 178 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:12,880 is the great taboo he writes quote 179 00:06:16,309 --> 00:06:14,479 polls show more than two-thirds of 180 00:06:18,309 --> 00:06:16,319 americans believe the u.s government 181 00:06:20,790 --> 00:06:18,319 knows more than it is letting on 182 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:20,800 about the phenomenon although to be sure 183 00:06:24,870 --> 00:06:23,120 that does not make their belief true 184 00:06:26,629 --> 00:06:24,880 an enormous number of people believe 185 00:06:28,670 --> 00:06:26,639 there is a vast conspiracy at the 186 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:28,680 highest levels of the u.s 187 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:31,440 military-industrial complex concealing 188 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:32,160 recovered 189 00:06:37,029 --> 00:06:34,800 extraterrestrial craft and perhaps even 190 00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:37,039 the existence of aliens 191 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:39,600 i suspect scientists reluctance to 192 00:06:41,909 --> 00:06:40,880 intellectually engage with the 193 00:06:43,749 --> 00:06:41,919 phenomenon 194 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:43,759 and their quick dismissal of any 195 00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:46,560 incidents without serious investigation 196 00:06:51,749 --> 00:06:49,440 accompanied by ridicule and mockery is 197 00:06:52,950 --> 00:06:51,759 actually encouraging this conspiratorial 198 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:52,960 thinking 199 00:06:56,230 --> 00:06:54,960 in mainstream journalism the dominant 200 00:06:58,629 --> 00:06:56,240 view has always been 201 00:07:00,790 --> 00:06:58,639 and generally continues to be that such 202 00:07:03,670 --> 00:07:00,800 notions of dark conspiracies 203 00:07:04,710 --> 00:07:03,680 are batshit crazy and heaven help you if 204 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:04,720 you transgress 205 00:07:11,909 --> 00:07:10,950 unquote for many americans as well as 206 00:07:13,589 --> 00:07:11,919 non-americans 207 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:13,599 used to seeing this topic covered 208 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:16,160 through the lens of american history 209 00:07:19,510 --> 00:07:18,240 it can be revelatory to see just how 210 00:07:21,909 --> 00:07:19,520 much these events 211 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:21,919 have been happening historically right 212 00:07:25,670 --> 00:07:23,440 around the world 213 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:25,680 cool tart gives many of us a new glimpse 214 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:26,479 into events 215 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:28,319 that were happening for instance in 216 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:29,520 australia 217 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:31,440 just prior to and sometimes 218 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:32,720 contemporaneous 219 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:34,800 to famous events happening in the united 220 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:36,080 states 221 00:07:40,629 --> 00:07:38,400 from his book i quote again quote 222 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:40,639 strange objects were also being seen in 223 00:07:44,629 --> 00:07:42,080 the southern hemisphere 224 00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:44,639 in february 1947 there were three 225 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:46,960 independent and well-verified sightings 226 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:48,960 of a formation of five egg-shaped 227 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:51,680 wingless and tailless craft flying over 228 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:52,960 southern australia 229 00:07:57,589 --> 00:07:55,919 which defied official explanation a 230 00:08:00,550 --> 00:07:57,599 farmer on south australia's 231 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:00,560 ahri peninsula reported seeing five 232 00:08:03,909 --> 00:08:01,120 strange 233 00:08:05,589 --> 00:08:03,919 oblong shaped objects with narrow points 234 00:08:08,629 --> 00:08:05,599 coming up out of the sea 235 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:08,639 with a smoky grayish color around them i 236 00:08:12,309 --> 00:08:10,000 saw them quite plainly 237 00:08:13,990 --> 00:08:12,319 a mr flabble told the adelaide 238 00:08:15,749 --> 00:08:14,000 advertiser newspaper 239 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:15,759 they seemed to be floating in the air 240 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:18,000 from northwest to southeast and caused a 241 00:08:21,350 --> 00:08:19,120 shadow 242 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:21,360 his account corroborated another made 243 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:23,840 earlier by workmen at port augusta 244 00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:26,720 260 kilometers northeast who also 245 00:08:30,150 --> 00:08:27,599 reported seeing 246 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:30,160 five white egg-shaped objects flying in 247 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:31,120 formation 248 00:08:39,269 --> 00:08:37,829 and now jumping to a later section of 249 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:39,279 the same part of the book 250 00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:41,760 quote the third sighting of a formation 251 00:08:45,829 --> 00:08:42,959 of five weird 252 00:08:46,790 --> 00:08:45,839 high-speed egg-shaped uaps came two 253 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:46,800 months later 254 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:49,200 a thousand kilometers east in new south 255 00:08:53,590 --> 00:08:50,480 wales 256 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:53,600 a golden-3 farmer working on his rice 257 00:08:57,990 --> 00:08:56,720 harvest looked up to also see five metal 258 00:09:00,070 --> 00:08:58,000 bodies flying in v 259 00:09:01,670 --> 00:09:00,080 formation with the sun glistening on 260 00:09:04,630 --> 00:09:01,680 them the farmer 261 00:09:06,630 --> 00:09:04,640 a mr nettlebeck reportedly estimated the 262 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:06,640 speed at about one thousand miles an 263 00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:07,760 hour 264 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:10,080 a curious coincidence indeed that three 265 00:09:14,389 --> 00:09:11,600 separate sets of witnesses 266 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:14,399 independently saw a similar formation of 267 00:09:17,110 --> 00:09:14,800 five 268 00:09:18,230 --> 00:09:17,120 high-speed egg-shaped objects in 269 00:09:21,190 --> 00:09:18,240 different locations 270 00:09:22,870 --> 00:09:21,200 over 1200 kilometers apart across 271 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:22,880 southern australia 272 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:25,600 these events also all happen just before 273 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:28,320 a citing event in new mexico usa 274 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:30,959 that for many is the origin myth of the 275 00:09:34,710 --> 00:09:31,920 great modern 276 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:34,720 extraterrestrial conspiracy theory 277 00:09:41,350 --> 00:09:35,760 roswell 278 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:41,360 cool tart points out that part of what 279 00:09:45,269 --> 00:09:43,120 has only served to feed 280 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:45,279 not put out the fire of controversy 281 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:47,040 around what really happened there 282 00:09:50,070 --> 00:09:48,720 is the fact that the u.s government 283 00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:50,080 continues to change 284 00:09:54,790 --> 00:09:53,440 its account of what happened now i don't 285 00:09:56,710 --> 00:09:54,800 want to get too far into the weeds of 286 00:09:59,190 --> 00:09:56,720 the roswell event because that can be an 287 00:10:02,310 --> 00:09:59,200 entire podcast episode on its own 288 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:02,320 and in fact will be in the coming weeks 289 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:04,959 but i would like to recount here what 290 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:06,640 cool tart has to say 291 00:10:11,990 --> 00:10:09,440 quote the strangest irony of the roswell 292 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:12,000 affair is that the u.s military's clumsy 293 00:10:15,350 --> 00:10:12,800 response 294 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:15,360 did much to encourage the perception in 295 00:10:18,550 --> 00:10:17,200 the minds of a substantial portion of 296 00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:18,560 the american public 297 00:10:22,949 --> 00:10:20,320 that there was indeed some kind of 298 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:22,959 cover-up this is because the u.s air 299 00:10:26,550 --> 00:10:24,000 force has given 300 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:26,560 four different explanations for what 301 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:28,800 supposedly happened at roswell 302 00:10:36,389 --> 00:10:32,880 in 1947. officials definitely lied 303 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:36,399 and covered up the big question is why 304 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:40,480 unquote thus begins the astounding 305 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:42,240 historical trend where the u.s 306 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:44,000 government did its damnedest 307 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:46,240 to downplay and dismiss the ufo 308 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:47,279 phenomenon 309 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:50,399 while it simultaneously and covertly 310 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:53,120 continue to ramp up its intense interest 311 00:10:57,509 --> 00:10:54,959 and study of it 312 00:11:00,069 --> 00:10:57,519 quoting from the book again quote so 313 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:00,079 began a curious practice that continued 314 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:03,040 for decades whereby the u.s air force 315 00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:05,120 publicly and aggressively 316 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:08,320 debunked all uap sightings but inside 317 00:11:11,030 --> 00:11:10,160 america's military and intelligence 318 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:11,040 services 319 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:13,440 the issue was actually being taken very 320 00:11:17,590 --> 00:11:14,720 seriously 321 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:17,600 in late 1949 the air force office of 322 00:11:21,670 --> 00:11:19,360 special investigations 323 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:21,680 investigating green fireballs seen over 324 00:11:24,949 --> 00:11:23,120 military sites 325 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:24,959 confidentially reported that the 326 00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:26,240 continued occurrence 327 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:28,880 of unexplained phenomena of this nature 328 00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:30,560 in the vicinity of sensitive 329 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:31,760 installations 330 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:35,440 is cause for concern sightings reports 331 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:37,440 kept on flooding into the military 332 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:41,680 especially after marine corps veteran 333 00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:43,839 donald kehoe published his dramatic 334 00:11:48,790 --> 00:11:46,320 article flying saucers are real 335 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:48,800 in the popular men's magazine true in 336 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:50,800 late 1949. 337 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:52,480 in his best-selling book of the same 338 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:54,959 name he claimed the u.s air force knew 339 00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:56,480 that the mystery objects were 340 00:11:59,670 --> 00:11:57,600 extraterrestrial 341 00:12:01,590 --> 00:11:59,680 but that it was playing down reports to 342 00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:01,600 avoid a public panic 343 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:03,680 in an apparent attempt to quell public 344 00:12:08,310 --> 00:12:05,920 interest the air force's first 345 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:08,320 project grudge report was published soon 346 00:12:10,389 --> 00:12:09,040 after 347 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:10,399 announcing that it would stop 348 00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:12,240 investigating unidentified flying 349 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:13,040 objects 350 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:15,200 and asserting that all such sightings 351 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:16,320 were the result of 352 00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:18,680 mass hysteria hoaxes or the 353 00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:20,720 misinterpretation of conventional 354 00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:24,320 objects project grudge was ostensibly 355 00:12:27,509 --> 00:12:27,279 still seriously investigating ufos but 356 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:27,519 as 357 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:29,760 project insider edward rupelt later 358 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:30,560 asserted 359 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:32,720 there was a widespread view that project 360 00:12:40,629 --> 00:12:35,120 grudge was operating under a directive 361 00:12:44,949 --> 00:12:43,269 as i mentioned earlier while again much 362 00:12:46,389 --> 00:12:44,959 of the literature on the history of the 363 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:46,399 ufo phenomenon 364 00:12:49,829 --> 00:12:48,240 tends to focus on what has happened in 365 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:49,839 the united states 366 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:52,079 cool tart reminds us that this was and 367 00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:53,760 of course continues to be 368 00:12:57,670 --> 00:12:56,720 a worldwide phenomenon quoting from his 369 00:13:00,470 --> 00:12:57,680 book again 370 00:13:02,230 --> 00:13:00,480 quote while the u.s air force's project 371 00:13:03,190 --> 00:13:02,240 blue book investigation was still 372 00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:03,200 ramping up 373 00:13:07,190 --> 00:13:05,600 uaps were unhelpfully frustrating 374 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:07,200 official efforts to suppress 375 00:13:12,310 --> 00:13:10,240 interest in them by regularly showing up 376 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:12,320 over sensitive defense sites or buzzing 377 00:13:16,389 --> 00:13:13,680 civilian aircraft in 378 00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:16,399 other parts of the world behind the iron 379 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:16,880 curtain 380 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:19,120 the subject of ufos had initially been 381 00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:20,720 greeted with derision 382 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:22,800 the kremlin's tactic was to publicly 383 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:25,040 debunk all such sightings 384 00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:27,760 however soviet pilots were also seeing 385 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:29,120 strange things 386 00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:30,720 although the reports were being 387 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:32,160 suppressed 388 00:13:37,509 --> 00:13:35,760 in 1955 on a visit to the soviet union 389 00:13:39,509 --> 00:13:37,519 the united states senator richard 390 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:39,519 russell the head of the powerful armed 391 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:40,880 services committee 392 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:42,600 looked out of his train window in the 393 00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:44,320 trans-caucasus region 394 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:46,480 to see a disc shaped object slowly 395 00:13:50,949 --> 00:13:48,720 ascending vertically with its outer 396 00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:50,959 surface revolving slowly and with two 397 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:52,959 lights visible on the top 398 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:54,880 it sped off when it hit about six 399 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:56,399 thousand feet 400 00:14:00,829 --> 00:13:58,560 as russell and his staffer watched one 401 00:14:02,150 --> 00:14:00,839 minute later another craft made the same 402 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:02,160 maneuver 403 00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:04,160 panicked soviet staff on the train 404 00:14:07,189 --> 00:14:06,240 reportedly shut the curtains across the 405 00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,199 train window 406 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,519 and told the senator and his colleagues 407 00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:11,360 not to look outside again 408 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:17,030 one aspect of cool tarts journalism that 409 00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:19,440 i really appreciate and respect 410 00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:21,680 is that he is actually suspicious of 411 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,000 mass conspiracy stories 412 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:26,399 he knows by experience that actually 413 00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:29,040 people don't hold secrets for very long 414 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:32,240 especially large groups of people now 415 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:34,720 speaking of conspiracies though one of 416 00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:36,720 the questions that arises from many 417 00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:38,480 people when they consider a possible 418 00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:40,880 long-term conspiracy of cover-up within 419 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:42,959 the u.s and other governments 420 00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:44,560 is how would that kind of secret 421 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:47,040 possibly be kept wrapped up 422 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:49,199 wouldn't say an elected official like a 423 00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:50,880 president the supposed leader of 424 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:52,240 american government 425 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:54,320 when briefed on such matters decide 426 00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:55,440 enough is enough 427 00:14:58,949 --> 00:14:58,240 let's take this truth to the people well 428 00:15:02,069 --> 00:14:58,959 alas 429 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:02,079 it's not that simple what we find is a 430 00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,079 siloing of information 431 00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:05,839 we're talking about the strictest form 432 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:07,680 of compartmentalization 433 00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:10,320 where very very few people are even made 434 00:15:15,189 --> 00:15:12,079 aware of the existence 435 00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:15,199 of such programs indeed cooltart 436 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:17,279 recounts one historical occurrence 437 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,000 when incoming president jimmy carter 438 00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:22,079 famous of course partly for having had 439 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:24,320 his own personal ufo sighting 440 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:25,760 sought to learn more about the 441 00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:32,389 quoting from the book again quote 442 00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:34,399 according to celebrated civil rights 443 00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:34,959 attorney 444 00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:37,839 daniel sheehan before carter's january 445 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:39,040 inauguration 446 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,800 he sought a meeting with the then 447 00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:42,560 director of the cia 448 00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:44,800 george herbert walker bush later the 449 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,399 41st president 450 00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,959 but the cia director flatly refused to 451 00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:50,399 give the president-elect 452 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:53,519 a briefing on ufos telling carter 453 00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:57,360 he had no need to know bush's term as 454 00:16:02,870 --> 00:15:59,519 cia director ended just before the 455 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:02,880 inauguration in january 1977. 456 00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,199 bush suggested the incoming president 457 00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:07,040 instead seek a briefing 458 00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,959 through the congressional research 459 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:10,959 service once in office 460 00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,199 president carter pressed the issue and 461 00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,880 the congressional research 462 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,639 services specialist on space and 463 00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:19,040 aerospace mercia smith 464 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,399 was tasked to investigate unquote 465 00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:24,880 needless to say president carter never 466 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:26,639 apparently learned what he was looking 467 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:31,829 now for the sake of time again i'd like 468 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,240 to move forward both in history 469 00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:37,040 and further into the book enter tom 470 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:37,759 delong 471 00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:41,600 and ttsa now what cool tart has to say 472 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:42,000 here 473 00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:44,160 as an outsider observing this entire 474 00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:45,199 scenario 475 00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:46,800 with the background of a seasoned 476 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:49,120 journalist long-schooled in the way that 477 00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:49,440 both 478 00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:52,240 politicians and military officials tend 479 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:53,040 to handle 480 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:55,920 i.e spin public affairs to paint a 481 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,920 prettier and even sympathetic picture of 482 00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,279 themselves 483 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:00,880 in other words what i really appreciate 484 00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:03,040 about cool tart is unlike many of 485 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,559 us he can see this objectively he is not 486 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:07,839 a ttsa 487 00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:10,799 fanboy so to speak he looks at it from 488 00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,199 the 489 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,280 lens of history as an investigative 490 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,990 these are some of cooltart's comments 491 00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:19,439 about tom delonge 492 00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,600 and ttsa quote rock star tom delong 493 00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:26,000 has given a series of strange rambling 494 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:27,039 media interviews 495 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:29,840 about his secret meetings about uaps 496 00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,320 with government and corporate officials 497 00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:34,640 perhaps the wackiest one was the one he 498 00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,799 recorded with podcast host 499 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,799 comedian and mixed martial artist 500 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:39,840 commentator 501 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:42,960 joe rogan de long told rogan on the joe 502 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:44,080 rogan experience 503 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,160 that he was given the green light by his 504 00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:48,240 defense and intelligence black world 505 00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:49,280 mentors 506 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:51,679 to spread the word about an imminent us 507 00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:53,200 government disclosure 508 00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,720 of amazing ufo secrets he also claimed 509 00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,799 he was schooled by them on how not to 510 00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,160 reveal too much 511 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,720 of what he now knew he claimed his 512 00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:04,799 military sources even did a mock 513 00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,120 newsweek magazine interview with him 514 00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:09,120 so that they could analyze his answers 515 00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:10,320 and rehearse him 516 00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:13,120 before he gave a real interview it is 517 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:15,280 instructive to get across the detail of 518 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,640 what tom delong 519 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:18,960 said in his 100 minute duration joe 520 00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,080 rogan interview 521 00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:22,320 and a four-hour george knapp interview 522 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:23,600 because frankly 523 00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:26,640 if any of what he says he was told is 524 00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:27,120 true 525 00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:30,080 the implications are huge i know a lot 526 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:30,559 of you 527 00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:33,039 will think de long sounds crazy but as 528 00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,080 you will see 529 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:36,080 i believe there is strong evidence that 530 00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,200 certain former 531 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:39,360 and serving senior officials of the u.s 532 00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,120 government and military 533 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:43,360 definitely met with and briefed tom 534 00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,400 delonge 535 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,880 the issue to be debated is whether what 536 00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:48,720 he claims they told him 537 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:54,950 de long claims he was told by these 538 00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:57,200 senior officials that the u.s government 539 00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,840 had indeed secretly retrieved alien 540 00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:01,200 spacecraft 541 00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,679 and aliens that there is a secret 542 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,440 struggle underway to master the 543 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:06,480 technology 544 00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,280 and to protect humanity from an imminent 545 00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,559 threat 546 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:13,039 i am in no doubt whatsoever that whether 547 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:13,840 true or not 548 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,480 these briefings happened i have to admit 549 00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,480 i still find it extraordinary 550 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,160 that former and serving military 551 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,480 officials decided to brief the long 552 00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:24,799 but maybe they thought what he might say 553 00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,520 would sound 554 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:28,160 so bad crazy that if he went public 555 00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:28,720 with it 556 00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,200 no one would believe him anyway unquote 557 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:34,960 now at this point i'd like to interject 558 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,600 my own opinion about de long 559 00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:40,400 truthfully even back when ttsa was 560 00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,679 making headlines 561 00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,760 i always thought the long's involvement 562 00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,960 was strange 563 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,559 i thought that he was a strange person 564 00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,160 to head ttsa 565 00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,919 i understand his money was a large 566 00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,400 reason why but still he was strange 567 00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,600 choice there 568 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,919 and even more so he seemed a very 569 00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,360 strange choice 570 00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,360 for a u.s government that supposedly 571 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:01,600 wanted to finally come clean 572 00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,480 about his knowledge and involvement with 573 00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,159 recovered ufos and 574 00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,280 apparently even alien beings 575 00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:11,360 the reason why i found this a stretch is 576 00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,559 because the long 577 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,240 it's not that he's not intelligent he is 578 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,880 an intelligent guy he's a thoughtful guy 579 00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:19,200 he seemed to have decades of knowledge 580 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,159 of this particular 581 00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,280 topic but he's remarkably careless in 582 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,039 the things he says 583 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:27,600 if you wanted to handle this carefully 584 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:28,960 which you would assume these people 585 00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,280 would want to do people on the inside 586 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,720 then you would choose someone with the 587 00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,559 public relations background 588 00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,960 someone who meticulously chooses every 589 00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,080 word they speak 590 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:41,440 or tweet this is clearly not who tom 591 00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:42,080 delong 592 00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,200 is now like 593 00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:47,120 cool tart i have no doubt that these 594 00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,240 meetings happened 595 00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,640 meetings between tom delong and 596 00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:52,880 high-ranking military officials 597 00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,760 of course historically russian hackers 598 00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:58,480 hacked into john podesta's emails 599 00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:01,440 and spilled these to the world and here 600 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,080 we see 601 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:04,720 confirmation of communication between de 602 00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,360 long 603 00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,760 podesta and high ranking military 604 00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,640 officials 605 00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,799 so we know these meetings happen the 606 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,480 question has always been 607 00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:14,480 what was the true purpose of these 608 00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,679 meetings 609 00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,000 i've never bought the idea that these 610 00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,159 officials were encouraged because 611 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:23,200 tom de long had a unique opportunity and 612 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,760 voice 613 00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:26,240 amongst younger people that never really 614 00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:27,280 jived with me 615 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,039 so what was the true purpose 616 00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,120 now ross coulthart has his own 617 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,799 interesting theory as to why these 618 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,600 officials 619 00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,480 may have suddenly seen tom delonge as an 620 00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:40,640 opportune escape route based on what was 621 00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,360 happening 622 00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:43,520 historically at the time and it has a 623 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,640 lot to do with 624 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,880 both hillary clinton and especially john 625 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,080 podesta's 626 00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,640 known desire to get this secret out to 627 00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,159 the public 628 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,039 quoting from the book quote throughout 629 00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,600 2015 and 2016 630 00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,679 the media becomes increasingly sure in 631 00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,640 its reporting 632 00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,640 that hillary clinton is assert for the 633 00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,679 presidency 634 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,240 that donald trump does not have a chance 635 00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:08,400 as a gatekeeper you are now getting very 636 00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:09,520 nervous that come 637 00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,960 february 2017 post inauguration 638 00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:15,360 it might be you who is hauled in chains 639 00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,159 before 640 00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:19,039 a congressional inquiry to explain why 641 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:19,919 you hid 642 00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,840 the big secret then imagine 643 00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:26,320 along comes tom de long he must seem 644 00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,280 like a gift 645 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,520 with a wink and a nod he lets you know 646 00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,280 that he knows what you know 647 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:33,440 it is a huge relief to be able to share 648 00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,320 your guilty 649 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,520 70 plus years secret with de long 650 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,760 even better he is offering you a way to 651 00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:40,880 let the public know 652 00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,000 about it that makes the entire 653 00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:45,520 military-industrial complex cover-up 654 00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:49,039 sound like a bed of roses why the long 655 00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,000 even suggests 656 00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:52,480 he can make young millennials actually 657 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,360 like you 658 00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,120 he also reassures you that he 659 00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:57,280 understands all this national security 660 00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,919 stuff 661 00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,840 and that he will seek your permission 662 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,280 and get your approval 663 00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,520 for what he is allowed to say about what 664 00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,880 you all knew about 665 00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,440 the big secret you will get to control 666 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,360 the disclosure narrative 667 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,760 hell yeah this is our sort of guy you 668 00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:12,480 think 669 00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:16,159 unquote now as we all know 670 00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:19,120 history continues to roll on and soon 671 00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,919 tom delong 672 00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,559 and ttsa announced they have meta 673 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,520 materials 674 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:25,360 and that they are cooperating with the 675 00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,799 us military 676 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,080 to apparently develop reverse engineered 677 00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,520 craft 678 00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,840 now being the veteran investigative 679 00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:35,600 journalist that ross cool tart 680 00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,559 is again with a long story career that 681 00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,640 involves seeing how politicians and 682 00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,080 military officials 683 00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,320 spun events to present their own actions 684 00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,000 in a rosier light 685 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,159 cool tart can't help but connect dots 686 00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,600 here answering 687 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,679 this intriguing question about why this 688 00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:53,200 partnership would exist 689 00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:56,799 with his own provocative answer quote 690 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:59,279 why would a uap disclosure activist 691 00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,240 organization 692 00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,720 cooperate with the u.s military it has 693 00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,240 openly suggested 694 00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:05,760 is hiding these breakthrough 695 00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,039 technologies i suspect the real agenda 696 00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:11,279 behind the deal with the military is 697 00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,120 that the 698 00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,600 crada will finally allow the military 699 00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,440 to share at least some of what it has 700 00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:19,520 known about metamaterials 701 00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,279 all along unquote 702 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,679 now one question cooltart repeatedly 703 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,360 pursues in this book 704 00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,520 is whether or not the us government or 705 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,600 some rogue element that has broken off 706 00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,400 from it 707 00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,520 has actually recovered downed ufos the 708 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,440 reason why he pursues this question 709 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,320 so doggedly is not just because it keeps 710 00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,000 popping up again and again 711 00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,919 in the literature and the historical 712 00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,440 record but because 713 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,679 coldheart being very familiar with the 714 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,760 taboo nature of this topic 715 00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:52,400 amongst the general public knows that if 716 00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,600 proven true 717 00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,600 this fact would become the proverbial 718 00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,720 golden goose 719 00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:59,039 the game changer the discovery that 720 00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,320 forces the public 721 00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,960 and our elected officials to face up to 722 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,159 a revelation that 723 00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,720 certainly should change our entire 724 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,960 understanding of reality 725 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:11,520 it would once and for all make what 726 00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,080 should be 727 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,159 the story of the millennium and really 728 00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:15,440 of all time 729 00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:19,679 headline news everywhere 730 00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,440 now as we all know luis elizondo goes on 731 00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,720 to say to tucker carlson on 732 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,919 national tv that it is his opinion his 733 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,960 informed opinion 734 00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:33,520 that yes the us government does have 735 00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,159 recovered 736 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:37,360 alien craft elizondo said the u.s 737 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,799 holds alien technology period 738 00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,720 now this is what cool tart says about 739 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,159 this revelation 740 00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:47,120 quote this is big news but there was no 741 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:47,679 media 742 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,640 apart from researcher james ian doley's 743 00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:51,600 twitter feed 744 00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:55,120 engaging the phenomenon ian doley asked 745 00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,000 former bigelow 746 00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:58,480 national institute of discovery science 747 00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,360 nids 748 00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,640 scientist dr eric davis his views about 749 00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,080 elizondo's claim 750 00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,960 of recovered extraterrestrial debris 751 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:09,279 davis sent this intriguingly mischievous 752 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,240 reply 753 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,039 quote luis elizondo's very brief answer 754 00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,960 to tucker carlson's question 755 00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,880 about whether the u.s government is in 756 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:18,559 possession of recovered 757 00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,760 crashed and landed ufo technology 758 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,559 hardware 759 00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,159 is thousand percent accurate my national 760 00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,600 security ndas 761 00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,440 prevent me from adding any further 762 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:30,799 comment on this 763 00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,830 now parenthetically i would just like to 764 00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,919 add that james ian doley is a good 765 00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,799 friend of mine 766 00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,120 and it's always good to see good friends 767 00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,480 who are doing great work 768 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,960 get recognized like james is in this 769 00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,640 book 770 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,120 now let's move forward again for the 771 00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,600 sake of time 772 00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,320 now in the final chapters of the book 773 00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,640 ross coulthart continues to doggedly 774 00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,320 pursue this question about whether or 775 00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,000 not the u.s government 776 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,200 has indeed recovered alien technology 777 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,720 craft even intact and landed craft using 778 00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:07,679 that quote from 779 00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,799 eric davis again cooltart goes on to 780 00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:11,919 discuss the famous 781 00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,559 admiral wilson documents this is all 782 00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,400 about what happened when 783 00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,880 after edgar mitchell passed documents 784 00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,799 were released from his estate 785 00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,840 and one of those documents purportedly 786 00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,760 talked about a meeting between eric 787 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,039 davis and 788 00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:30,159 admiral tom wilson where wilson famously 789 00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,279 talks about 790 00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,960 even though he had a high position where 791 00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,880 he should have been able to uncover 792 00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:37,279 any kind of black ops operation and 793 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,399 learn about it 794 00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:41,200 when he pursued this question of trying 795 00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,000 to uncover 796 00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,039 a supposed alien retrieval 797 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,880 kind of black ops that was now 798 00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,240 interested in reverse 799 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,159 engineering these craft he was 800 00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,960 stonewalled he was even told his career 801 00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:54,799 would hit a dead end if he continued to 802 00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,149 now cooltart also goes on to discuss and 803 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,559 investigate a series of strange 804 00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,320 and controversial patents that were 805 00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,799 filed shortly afterwards 806 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,039 that seemed to discuss a technology that 807 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,720 should not even exist 808 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:13,440 a technology that purportedly could 809 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,919 propel 810 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,559 something like a tic tac now for those 811 00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,320 who believe there actually is 812 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,399 a functional program that has 813 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:21,840 successfully reverse 814 00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,960 engineered alien technology this patent 815 00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,960 makes perfect sense 816 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,960 now cool tart leaves open the question 817 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:30,720 about whether or not these patents are 818 00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,360 real 819 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,039 and whether or not they actually are 820 00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:36,080 indicative of something like the tic tac 821 00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,559 but quoting from the book again quote 822 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,039 a field generator can create a polarized 823 00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,880 energy field that creates a quantum 824 00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,640 vacuum around the craft 825 00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:49,120 which allows it to reduce mass this 826 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,399 enables it to repel 827 00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,640 any air or water molecules and 828 00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,720 supposedly also makes possible 829 00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,600 faster than light travel it also means 830 00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,520 that any occupant does not feel 831 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,480 aerodynamic or hydrodynamic forces 832 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,240 which would explain why they are not 833 00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,000 mashed up into soup 834 00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,880 by the extreme g-forces any such craft 835 00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,159 would indubitably 836 00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,679 inflict unquote 837 00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:16,159 now just to be absolutely clear some of 838 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,039 these patents 839 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:20,080 were awarded in other words the u.s 840 00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,120 patent office said 841 00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,120 okay this technology has been 842 00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,799 demonstrated to exist 843 00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,399 to a degree which we are willing to 844 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,799 grant this patent which in itself is 845 00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,640 surprising and hard to understand 846 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,880 because this technology purportedly 847 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,240 doesn't even exist yet 848 00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,120 so how is this really demonstrated very 849 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:39,039 confusing and it makes you wonder what 850 00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,480 is really going on behind the scenes 851 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,799 now again the reason why cool tart is 852 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:46,960 pursuing this series of questions 853 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:50,000 so doggedly is because he knows if it 854 00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,120 can be proven 855 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,880 that this kind of reverse engineered 856 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,720 program does exist 857 00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,960 and even more significantly if it has 858 00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,960 been successful 859 00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:01,039 then this will change the world this 860 00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,080 will force 861 00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,720 his journalistic colleagues politicians 862 00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:05,840 and the general public 863 00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,679 everywhere to pay attention 864 00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,840 and now in conclusion i'd like to share 865 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:13,279 some of ross cool tart's 866 00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:16,799 final words quote so what do i know for 867 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,279 sure 868 00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,840 after two years down the rabbit hole i 869 00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,279 have no doubt at all 870 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,120 that the us government is hiding 871 00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,720 extraordinary secrets 872 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,440 about the phenomenon the categorical 873 00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,200 statements made by defense and 874 00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:30,799 intelligence insiders 875 00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:33,919 dr eric davis and luis elizondo and the 876 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,159 more qualified assertions by christopher 877 00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,880 mellon and former senator harry reid 878 00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,880 suggests that the united states has 879 00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,399 indeed recovered 880 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:45,039 non-human intelligently manufactured 881 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,320 technology 882 00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,880 a conclusion that makes my head spin 883 00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,720 unquote 884 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:53,200 and following this cool tart says this 885 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,320 quote 886 00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:56,960 i venture the u.s has been wrestling for 887 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,600 years 888 00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,679 with how to break this shocking news to 889 00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,960 the public 890 00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,360 not least because it has flatly lied to 891 00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:04,480 its citizens 892 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,840 for 75 years and criminally prosecuted 893 00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:09,200 those who threatened 894 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,159 the big secret too many insiders have 895 00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:14,080 dropped too many hints for me not to 896 00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,640 think 897 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,799 that there is a reckoning coming i 898 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,799 suspect the quest to unravel 899 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,200 one of humanity's greatest mysteries 900 00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:22,480 will very soon 901 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,120 have the beginnings of an answer unquote 902 00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:29,440 and on that note we've come to the close 903 00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:30,640 of another edition 904 00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,519 of the point of convergence podcast as i 905 00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,640 said at the outset 906 00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,799 let's support ross coulthart's work 907 00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,799 let's go buy this book and share it with 908 00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:39,600 our friends 909 00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,960 our family our colleagues etc because of 910 00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,559 the nature of this book 911 00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,960 it's dogged determinism to get at the 912 00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,600 truth 913 00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,200 and because it's written by a 914 00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,600 well-respected investigative journalist 915 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,679 from the mainstream it has the 916 00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,640 opportunity 917 00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,960 to take this conversation to an entirely 918 00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,880 new level 919 00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,880 but until next time friends from deep 920 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,240 within the blue ridge mountains